There have been very good reasons to protest, right?
It is not possible that donors paid 8 million people $35.50 each to protest.
It is not possible that 8 million people protested because they were ordered to do so.
What happened was the largest public protest in US history. In a democracy this is one of the most important uses of free speech, and it should happen more often. The current Executive Branch and much of Congress are evil supporters of genocide and child rape, and are also robber barons, much like those at the turn of the 20th century. It's ridiculous that only 8 million protested.
It is not possible that donors paid 8 million people $35.50 each to protest.
Why not?
If you're transporting anything on the stage, equipment rentals, drivers, cooks, food, designers, posters, T-shirts, banners, police, bribes, payola, social media, whatever - it all fucking adds up. Even if the protesters don't get a penny, every button, pin, pen, clip-thing, postit, coffee, creamer, donunt, etc. etc. etc. has a cost and value. And that's far from all of it. If it doesn't need to be done, then you can try to herd cats and volunteers to do it. If it demands being done right, you have to pay for it.
Lazy people still watch TV. Countless are brainwashed. Heavily. In a myriad of ways.
People can "protest" in any number of controlled rallies and events where folks release steam but accomplish nothing - as designed.
stage, equipment rentals, drivers, cooks, food, designers, posters, T-shirts, banners, police, bribes, payola, social media, whatever - it all fucking adds up. Even if the protesters don't get a penny, every button, pin, pen, clip-thing, postit, coffee, creamer, donunt, etc. etc. etc.
Almost none of that was provided at 99% of the protests. I've attended them and know people merely make announcements on the state building's steps, and then continue walking down the street. If someone wants to set up a coffee van, that's a normal thing to do at weekend markets, and they might show up at a protest, but people pay them for the coffee. It's not funded.
Claiming that people protest because they are paid is a lame attempt to discredit their reasons for protest, and says a lot about the evil actions funded by wealthy handlers and their Executive Branch, Supreme Court, GOP and a few old Dems. It's also a fragile response to the protestor and an attempt to support an authoritarian distopia. What will those authoritarians do for their supporters? Nothing that's helpful. They will feed on the 99% and hoard the money. It's what they do. Protests are authentic, very important responses in a democracy. Authoritarians should get the same treatment they received during the French Revolution. They are destroying the US.
Because you haven't noticed doesn't mean those things aren't done.
I've seen lots of it. Just the other day I got lots of Conservative schwag.
I make lots of schwag, as I did at Burning Man. Now it's business cards and buttons and magnets to "Protect Freedom" or "Protect Children". I'd do bigger stuff if I had funding.
I've been to all sorts of protests and political events and actions.
Some very well funded, many not.
Most folks are NOT in the big funding loop. By design.
Grift happens. Bigly.
I bet "I'll pay you $1M to run a protest that only costs $1K" happens all the time. Just like grants, VC investments, other "funding" and "markets", etc.
Pretending like that isn't likely or possible is naive at best and disingenuous at worst when people are being murdered, poisoned, exploited, propagandized, and suppressed (all expensive too) by the military industrial corporatocracy all over the world.
Claiming that people protest because they are paid
I didn't say that.
But clearly many do.
Especially those who get bussed around by Soros.
Protests are authentic
Not all of them.
And not all people know it.
The Windsor bridge "blockade" did not start organically - but it grew organically.
We also know of a heavily funded disinformation network that spreads lies that are easy to debunk with simple logic and evidence. Part of that evidence is that 8 MILLION PEOPLE protested.
Of the numerous places that had protestors, let's say that 200 hundred of them had paid organizers (though again, without any evidence), did people protest because of the organizers or because of direct payments? No.
I was just at a Conservative meeting and half of them are full on Zionist supporters who believe in the Scofield bible because they've been brainwashed for decades.
If you can see the propaganda, it's not aimed at you.
If you can NOT see it, you are the perfect target.
There are 8 billion targets on this planet.
Half of them are stupider than average.
Few of them think like you.
I don't know what you are trying to say here, but at least you got to see that evil first-hand. (BTW: Israel has been murdering, displacing, and spitting on Christians for a long time. So-called 'Christians' need to see and understand that.)
Because this is a baseless claim, you would know that proof of its basis never existed.
So, you are correct, I would not prove something that never existed (millions of paid protestors) somehow existed.
What's weak and arguably evil is any support for MAGAt propaganda that tries to discredit protestors who are speaking truth against the worst US government since the turn of the 20th century. (I would think you don't support MAGAts.)
Isn't it odd to pay people to protest in general? It is a thing. And paying a protestor $35.50 is on the low end. Very low end. Try $200. I looked into it because getting paid to go on a hike sounds like getting paid to do something I do anyway. Just tune out the people around you and enjoy the air. It turns out these gigs pay quite a bit because you are effectively on set. They do "talent" recruitment the same way you'd do a casting call. Don't you think that's kind of weird.
There is no evidence if I haven't seen it. Evidence I don't like is always disinformation.
What a bold statement to make in general about any subject. There is no evidence. Making that claim requires that you have seen all human knowledge and can scan it to verify there is none. It shouldn't be a phrase. At the very least someone should have a phd in the field to ever say that phrase. Otherwise, it's a competele anti-pattern.
There is no evidence is always a claim that itself comes from no evidence.
I suppose I could return to my previous arguments.
There are numerous good reasons to protest.
People do protest without receiving payment.
It's logically not possible to pay for the largest protest in US history, of 8 million people in numeroud places.
It's also unnecessary to pay people to protest.
The percentage of the US who "strongly agree" with the current government is only 20%. Hence a portion of the remaining 250 million people do not strongly agree.
If people were paid to protest, how would we know? Where is that information?
If it's correct that people were paid, how many of the 8 million people were paid?
If it's correct that people were paid, how much were they paid?
Is it possible that there are numerous professionals spreading disinformation that there were paid protestors? Yes.
Why would they do that? What is to gain by trying to discredit a naturally occuring protest of 8 million people? Who benefits from that disinformation?
Should the US be an authoritarian, anti-Democratic, Republican state run by a few wealthy assholes? Is it wrong that people want to protest that?
Thanks to the internet, it is relatively easy to ask search engines and AI: were people paid to protest in the US last weekend?
Thanks to the network of disinformation resources, it should be easy to locate their evidence that people were paid (though they have no credibility).
It's possible to chech those supposed sources for accuracy and see that they are not honest.
Ergo, there is no evidence, no reliable sources, no motive for it, no logistics for it, and no examples of payments to people to protest.
Perhaps I'm missing something. Perhaps the the interests of 80% of the US are not reflected in the actions of the 8 million protestors. Perhaps instead the 20% who 'strongly agree' with the Republican-controlled government are actually the ones who truly represent the American population. Or perhaps that 20% know better than the 80% what the US requires. Perhaps we forget about the approaches of robber barons of the turn of the 20th century and trust in the current oligarchy, that they know what's best for US. Perhaps 8 million protestors are actually happy with this oligarchy and were protesting only because they were paid.
There are numerous good reasons to protest... The percentage of the US who "strongly agree" with the current government is only 20%.
This I agree with. There are very good reasons to protest. But billionairs are paying to fund these protests. And the question people want to talk about is why? Clearly there is a pretty strong consensus against Trump. Why are they trying to co-opt it, and to what end? Where does their return on investment come from?
Questioning these things isn't blind trumpism. People can question things without being the opposition. The left and right both have downsides in the way they currently opperate and their tendencies. The right's deficit is it has contingents that are self-defeatingly offensive and off-putting. The left's deficit is it forms tribalism around not asking questions, or certain pieces you aren't supposed to put together. Asking certain questions gets you labeled and all kinds of assumptions are made for why you are asking questions.
I think it's not necessary to make this claim, and if anyone was paid it was a drop in the ocean of 8 million protestors.
But billionairs are paying to fund these protests.
It's very destructive to make people believe baseless claims. We have seen so many examples. It's part of what elected Trump. Musk funded several disinformation centers, spending upwards of $250 million. There is evidence tracing the targeted disinformation advertisements to Musk.
If billionaires funded the protests, there would be evidence. It would be everywhere on social media because the Republican networks are in place to spread that information. There is no evidence.
There is no problem with the questioning of these issues.
Because of the actions of the Republican-controlled government, I think it is more important than ever to identify and respond to them (almost every sector is suffering severely because of them). There is no equivalence between political parties, as we can see a stark contrast between Dem and Rep parties of the past several administrations.
4. It's also unnecessary to pay people to protest.
Unless you are trying to sway the masses into unpopular directions.
They all do it. Left, Right, CIA, Mossad, Hong Kong, France, Ukraine, and governments all over.
6. If people were paid to protest, how would we know? Where is that information?
If Israel murdered Charlie Kirk, how would we know? Where is that information? They are not going to tell you. And they're not going to tell you details of their COVERT DARK OP.
10. Why would they do that? What is to gain by trying to discredit a naturally occuring protest of 8 million people? Who benefits from that disinformation?
Can you even hear yourself?
You just answered your own question.
Do we have to know? 62 members of the Knesset voted for the death penalty for innocent Palestinians, after a genocide of 280,000 Palestinians in the region in the past couple years. The majority of Israel voters have proven their commitment to genocide, and the US government has helped them.
What is there to gain by trying to discredit a naturally occuring protest of 8 million people? Who benefits from that disinformation?
I offered many questions and answers. If you do not like the answer to the question above, why do you not like it? Do you support the anti-Democratic, authoritarian, Republican-controlled government? If you have arguments, use them, rather than your last four statements. (Those are merely baseless insults.)
Do you remember the pussy hat protest?
What did they accomplish?
Absolutely nothing.
As designed.
What is there to gain by trying to discredit a naturally occuring protest of 8 million people? Who benefits from that disinformation?
Clearly you can't hear yourself.
You keep saying the same retarded self-answering shit, like socks.
Natural? Really?
Voting rarely accomplishes anything.
Protests rarely accomplish anything.
People do it and feel better.
Blowing off steam when they have frustration and no power.
They infiltrate, subvert, corrupt, and divide EVERY authentic movement.
Controlled opposition takes many forms.
It always benefits the establishment - as they've rigged it for millennia.
I attended three pussy hat protests (two of which in different states). Their protests and the many others afterward help increase the number of protestors. (You would know this, as a protestor.) The last two 'no kings' protests were the largest in US history. The momentum and the message are what's importand, and how that spreads. It certaily helps.
You keep saying the same retarded self-answering shit,
So now you want to attack me? Why? I made a very good point.
A Google image search locates that fuzzy list at Facebook and Threads, and no sources are noted there as well. See those seven columns on the right? They aren't related to protestors. One of the Facebook sources, is a lady who describes herself (Log Home Mom) as: "I am a true Log Home Mom. God, Marriage, Travel Agent, Glamping, Homesteading and Log Home Living Need to book Travel, send me a message!" Would God like anything that the US government is doing at the moment? They've violated most of the 10 commandments and the 7 sins (pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth). Who are the 20% of the US who "strongly support" that?
Log in
Got a source?
There have been very good reasons to protest, right?
It is not possible that donors paid 8 million people $35.50 each to protest.
It is not possible that 8 million people protested because they were ordered to do so.
What happened was the largest public protest in US history. In a democracy this is one of the most important uses of free speech, and it should happen more often. The current Executive Branch and much of Congress are evil supporters of genocide and child rape, and are also robber barons, much like those at the turn of the 20th century. It's ridiculous that only 8 million protested.
Why not?
If you're transporting anything on the stage, equipment rentals, drivers, cooks, food, designers, posters, T-shirts, banners, police, bribes, payola, social media, whatever - it all fucking adds up. Even if the protesters don't get a penny, every button, pin, pen, clip-thing, postit, coffee, creamer, donunt, etc. etc. etc. has a cost and value. And that's far from all of it. If it doesn't need to be done, then you can try to herd cats and volunteers to do it. If it demands being done right, you have to pay for it.
Lazy people still watch TV. Countless are brainwashed. Heavily. In a myriad of ways.
People can "protest" in any number of controlled rallies and events where folks release steam but accomplish nothing - as designed.
Almost none of that was provided at 99% of the protests. I've attended them and know people merely make announcements on the state building's steps, and then continue walking down the street. If someone wants to set up a coffee van, that's a normal thing to do at weekend markets, and they might show up at a protest, but people pay them for the coffee. It's not funded.
Claiming that people protest because they are paid is a lame attempt to discredit their reasons for protest, and says a lot about the evil actions funded by wealthy handlers and their Executive Branch, Supreme Court, GOP and a few old Dems. It's also a fragile response to the protestor and an attempt to support an authoritarian distopia. What will those authoritarians do for their supporters? Nothing that's helpful. They will feed on the 99% and hoard the money. It's what they do. Protests are authentic, very important responses in a democracy. Authoritarians should get the same treatment they received during the French Revolution. They are destroying the US.
Because you haven't noticed doesn't mean those things aren't done.
I've seen lots of it. Just the other day I got lots of Conservative schwag.
I make lots of schwag, as I did at Burning Man. Now it's business cards and buttons and magnets to "Protect Freedom" or "Protect Children". I'd do bigger stuff if I had funding.
I've been to all sorts of protests and political events and actions.
Some very well funded, many not.
Most folks are NOT in the big funding loop. By design.
Grift happens. Bigly.
I bet "I'll pay you $1M to run a protest that only costs $1K" happens all the time. Just like grants, VC investments, other "funding" and "markets", etc.
Pretending like that isn't likely or possible is naive at best and disingenuous at worst when people are being murdered, poisoned, exploited, propagandized, and suppressed (all expensive too) by the military industrial corporatocracy all over the world.
I didn't say that.
But clearly many do.
Especially those who get bussed around by Soros.
Not all of them.
And not all people know it.
The Windsor bridge "blockade" did not start organically - but it grew organically.
Groovy.
We also know of a heavily funded disinformation network that spreads lies that are easy to debunk with simple logic and evidence. Part of that evidence is that 8 MILLION PEOPLE protested.
Of the numerous places that had protestors, let's say that 200 hundred of them had paid organizers (though again, without any evidence), did people protest because of the organizers or because of direct payments? No.
Who are the leaders of the protest, they most likely are the ones paid to direct the other protestors.
It is easier to protest the rich, than open up your own small business and employ the poor and unemployed.
It's difficult to believe that anyone would support the current kleptocracy.
It is either get screwed by the Democrats or Republicans. Might as well make your own small business and take some resposibility.
I was just at a Conservative meeting and half of them are full on Zionist supporters who believe in the Scofield bible because they've been brainwashed for decades.
If you can see the propaganda, it's not aimed at you.
If you can NOT see it, you are the perfect target.
There are 8 billion targets on this planet.
Half of them are stupider than average.
Few of them think like you.
I don't know what you are trying to say here, but at least you got to see that evil first-hand. (BTW: Israel has been murdering, displacing, and spitting on Christians for a long time. So-called 'Christians' need to see and understand that.)
We know all of our input is a mix of truth and lies.
People who say, "There are no big secret conspiracies because we'd know about it," are fallacious and retarded.
It's not easy to suss out evidence or find the truths, much less be certain of anything.
You can't prove that and you don't know that.
Your certainty makes your arguments weak.
Because this is a baseless claim, you would know that proof of its basis never existed.
So, you are correct, I would not prove something that never existed (millions of paid protestors) somehow existed.
What's weak and arguably evil is any support for MAGAt propaganda that tries to discredit protestors who are speaking truth against the worst US government since the turn of the 20th century. (I would think you don't support MAGAts.)
Isn't it odd to pay people to protest in general? It is a thing. And paying a protestor $35.50 is on the low end. Very low end. Try $200. I looked into it because getting paid to go on a hike sounds like getting paid to do something I do anyway. Just tune out the people around you and enjoy the air. It turns out these gigs pay quite a bit because you are effectively on set. They do "talent" recruitment the same way you'd do a casting call. Don't you think that's kind of weird.
Background actors.
And $200 isn't anything to sneeze at for easy work.
There is no evidence anyone was paid to protest.
There are however many problems with the spread of disinformation that protestors were paid.
No evidence?
Is a protestor admitting getting paid considered evidence?
https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/2009538042877628867
https://x.com/Milajoy/status/2038728762024747325
https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/1899052056070992121
An excellent example of the disinformation being spread on X. (Anyone can say on video they got paid. Dude.)
There is no evidence if I haven't seen it. Evidence I don't like is always disinformation.
What a bold statement to make in general about any subject. There is no evidence. Making that claim requires that you have seen all human knowledge and can scan it to verify there is none. It shouldn't be a phrase. At the very least someone should have a phd in the field to ever say that phrase. Otherwise, it's a competele anti-pattern.
There is no evidence is always a claim that itself comes from no evidence.
I suppose I could return to my previous arguments.
There are numerous good reasons to protest.
People do protest without receiving payment.
It's logically not possible to pay for the largest protest in US history, of 8 million people in numeroud places.
It's also unnecessary to pay people to protest.
The percentage of the US who "strongly agree" with the current government is only 20%. Hence a portion of the remaining 250 million people do not strongly agree.
If people were paid to protest, how would we know? Where is that information?
If it's correct that people were paid, how many of the 8 million people were paid?
If it's correct that people were paid, how much were they paid?
Is it possible that there are numerous professionals spreading disinformation that there were paid protestors? Yes.
Why would they do that? What is to gain by trying to discredit a naturally occuring protest of 8 million people? Who benefits from that disinformation?
Should the US be an authoritarian, anti-Democratic, Republican state run by a few wealthy assholes? Is it wrong that people want to protest that?
Thanks to the internet, it is relatively easy to ask search engines and AI: were people paid to protest in the US last weekend?
Thanks to the network of disinformation resources, it should be easy to locate their evidence that people were paid (though they have no credibility).
It's possible to chech those supposed sources for accuracy and see that they are not honest.
Ergo, there is no evidence, no reliable sources, no motive for it, no logistics for it, and no examples of payments to people to protest.
Perhaps I'm missing something. Perhaps the the interests of 80% of the US are not reflected in the actions of the 8 million protestors. Perhaps instead the 20% who 'strongly agree' with the Republican-controlled government are actually the ones who truly represent the American population. Or perhaps that 20% know better than the 80% what the US requires. Perhaps we forget about the approaches of robber barons of the turn of the 20th century and trust in the current oligarchy, that they know what's best for US. Perhaps 8 million protestors are actually happy with this oligarchy and were protesting only because they were paid.
And yet people do it.
This I agree with. There are very good reasons to protest. But billionairs are paying to fund these protests. And the question people want to talk about is why? Clearly there is a pretty strong consensus against Trump. Why are they trying to co-opt it, and to what end? Where does their return on investment come from?
Questioning these things isn't blind trumpism. People can question things without being the opposition. The left and right both have downsides in the way they currently opperate and their tendencies. The right's deficit is it has contingents that are self-defeatingly offensive and off-putting. The left's deficit is it forms tribalism around not asking questions, or certain pieces you aren't supposed to put together. Asking certain questions gets you labeled and all kinds of assumptions are made for why you are asking questions.
I think it's not necessary to make this claim, and if anyone was paid it was a drop in the ocean of 8 million protestors.
It's very destructive to make people believe baseless claims. We have seen so many examples. It's part of what elected Trump. Musk funded several disinformation centers, spending upwards of $250 million. There is evidence tracing the targeted disinformation advertisements to Musk.
If billionaires funded the protests, there would be evidence. It would be everywhere on social media because the Republican networks are in place to spread that information. There is no evidence.
There is no problem with the questioning of these issues.
Because of the actions of the Republican-controlled government, I think it is more important than ever to identify and respond to them (almost every sector is suffering severely because of them). There is no equivalence between political parties, as we can see a stark contrast between Dem and Rep parties of the past several administrations.
Time for you to look into it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Society_Foundations
AND the Democrats before them. They're both cheeks of the same ass.
The terms of the puppets change every 4 years but MILLIONS of government employees never give up their positions.
The Deep State actually runs things and puppets the political drama.
But you want to criticize the people protesting this? Think.
Unless you are trying to sway the masses into unpopular directions.
They all do it. Left, Right, CIA, Mossad, Hong Kong, France, Ukraine, and governments all over.
If Israel murdered Charlie Kirk, how would we know? Where is that information? They are not going to tell you. And they're not going to tell you details of their COVERT DARK OP.
Can you even hear yourself?
You just answered your own question.
You can't be this blind in good faith.
Like the largest protest in US history? Sure
Do we have to know? 62 members of the Knesset voted for the death penalty for innocent Palestinians, after a genocide of 280,000 Palestinians in the region in the past couple years. The majority of Israel voters have proven their commitment to genocide, and the US government has helped them.
What is there to gain by trying to discredit a naturally occuring protest of 8 million people? Who benefits from that disinformation?
I offered many questions and answers. If you do not like the answer to the question above, why do you not like it? Do you support the anti-Democratic, authoritarian, Republican-controlled government? If you have arguments, use them, rather than your last four statements. (Those are merely baseless insults.)
Do you remember the pussy hat protest?
What did they accomplish?
Absolutely nothing.
As designed.
Clearly you can't hear yourself.
You keep saying the same retarded self-answering shit, like socks.
Natural? Really?
Voting rarely accomplishes anything.
Protests rarely accomplish anything.
People do it and feel better.
Blowing off steam when they have frustration and no power.
They infiltrate, subvert, corrupt, and divide EVERY authentic movement.
Controlled opposition takes many forms.
It always benefits the establishment - as they've rigged it for millennia.
I attended three pussy hat protests (two of which in different states). Their protests and the many others afterward help increase the number of protestors. (You would know this, as a protestor.) The last two 'no kings' protests were the largest in US history. The momentum and the message are what's importand, and how that spreads. It certaily helps.
So now you want to attack me? Why? I made a very good point.
Here is the list of donors https://img.gvid.tv/i/3N31Czw1.jpg
Most people don't care; only a vocal minority of voters have TDS enough to protest a President who did what Democrats did 15 years ago.
A Google image search locates that fuzzy list at Facebook and Threads, and no sources are noted there as well. See those seven columns on the right? They aren't related to protestors. One of the Facebook sources, is a lady who describes herself (Log Home Mom) as: "I am a true Log Home Mom. God, Marriage, Travel Agent, Glamping, Homesteading and Log Home Living Need to book Travel, send me a message!" Would God like anything that the US government is doing at the moment? They've violated most of the 10 commandments and the 7 sins (pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth). Who are the 20% of the US who "strongly support" that?
Most people do care.
Here is the datasheet: https://img.gvid.tv/i/3N31Czw1.jpg